From: Matt Graeber m<atthewgraeber.nul>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:17:29 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:33:42 -0500
Subject: The Carbondale UFO Crash Chronicles Entry No.6


The Carbondale UFO Crash Chronicles Entry No.6

"Living in the light", and being "completely" in the dark with
BUFO.

Well, here we are again, about to venture into the murky
thinking of Mary Sutherland, Ron Hannivig and Frank Scassellati
of Burlington UFO and Paranormal Radio fame. But, it's much
easier to simply think of them as BUFOONians or UFOOLogists.
(Take your pick!)

This entry will deal with Mary's latest post on the so-called
Carbondale UFO crash and coverup: as well as her silly attempts
at discrediting retired Carbondale Police Sgt.Francis X. Dottle,
Rick Fisher of Paranormal Pa. and my investigative efforts on
the hoax incident of November 1974. It's interesting to note
that neither Mary, Ron or Frank were actually present during the
investigation of the incident nor, were any of the three present
when the rail road lantern was recoverd from the pond's floor by
a volunteer scuba diver (Mark Stamey).

Yet, to read all their accusations, suspicions and fantasies
about the incident one might get the distinct impressin that
they really do know precisely what they're talking about. But,
the impression is just that, a fleeting "illusion" and nothing
of substance at all.

Of course, there is also BUFO field investigator Frank
Scassellati's claim that he was there as a teenager but, his
story has changed soooo many times, I don't think Ol'Frank
really knows where he was then or now - he just seems to be a
flip-flop'n fellow that is all-over-the-place!

So, rather than taking the reader on long and boring expose of
Mary Sutherland's latest nonsensical and highly
conspiracy-minded diatribe, I will simply respomd to a few of
her latest baseless accusations and ridiculous remarks about the
Carbondale UFO hoax of November 9-11,1974.

Shortly after the Carbondale UFO Crash Chronicles Entry No5 was
posted by UFO UpDates and then appeared at the "carbondale, pa.
ufo crash" site. Mary Sutherland posted a new page with an audio
link that one must subscribe to in order to hear her ramble on
about the '74 incident: while she also presents startling new
"Unidentified" witness accounts along with an "audio program"
which she promises to be informative, entertaining and comical.
(Sounds like a bit of "serious" UFO researching to me, how
about you?)

Mary sees her new audio program as a kind of ongoing "soap
opera" in which she is probably cast on the roll of a victim and
heroine defending her veracity from the horrible "Forces which
do not want you to know the truth about the Carbondale UFO
crash". Cast in the roll of two of these sinister forces are a
fellow named Rick Fisher of Paranormal, Pa. (Whom I have never
met) and myself. Mary seems to be a bit confused as to exactly
how we two are linked but, she and her top investigator Ron
Hannivig believe we are conspiratorial associates because we
live relatively close to one another.

Of couse, this suspicion is based entirely on Ron's subjective
understanding of the word close. For I reside in the suburbs of
Philadelphia,Pa. and Mr.Fisher resides near Lancaster, Pa.
That's about 60 miles from my home, and since I'm legally blind
I cannot drive out to Pennsylvania Dutch country to conspire
with him. Yet somehow, Mr.Fisher and I are in league with one
another, and our whole existance on this planet seems to be
involved with the debunking of an alleged UFO case that was
resolved as a hoax over thrty years ago.

Further compounding the BUFOONian confusion on the matter is the
fact that Mr.Fisher does not believe the case was a hoax, and
strongly desires to learn as much as he possibly can about the
incident for a book he is presently writing on his investgation
into the affair. Obtaining a portion of such information from me
is the extent of our so-called association, and was also the
apparent extent of his brief association with BUFO proir to his
becoming their arch enemy because of ( you guessed it).. his
"assumed" association with me.

In fact, Mary Sutherland has devoted two entire BUFO pages to an
attempted dicrediting of Mr.Fisher:

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/rick_fisher.html

and

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/rick_fisher2.html

To read Mary's rather caustic low-down on me just go to
"carbondale,pa. ufo crash" and scroll down to Mary's suspicion-
packed new feature page

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/carbondale.html

Well, I'm certain that by this point you are wondering "why"
Mary would even bother to post such lenghty and disparaging
remarks about Mr.Fisher and I. Well, it seems that Mary has
"leaped" to the conclusion that it was she I was referring to
when I mentioned in Chronicles Entry No.5 that I had received
word from an informant that an internet ufo promoter has engaged
in fraudulent online business practices and was even directly
involved in the suicide of a youthful member of the same
internet promoter's group.Hmmm.

As you can clearly see, I never mentioned anyone's name, simply
because I wanted to verify that the informant's claims were both
unbiased and factual. But, Mary seems to have a very assumptive
nature, such as when she readily assumed that Pennsylvania
highway signs reading Susquehanna County, Susquehanna Township
and Susquehanna River, were "root-words" derived forn Native
American language describing "Sasquatch-anna" or, the so-called
creature known as "Bigfoot". Actually, a simple phone call
placed to the Susquehanna Township Public Library would have
informed Mary that such was definately not the case...Duh!

Yet, Mary seems to feel that Mr.Fisher's and my investigative
methods are shoddy. Well, judging by what I've read on her BUFO
sites, Mary is well acqainted with and quite comfortable with
the woefully shoddy investigative work of her pair of saucer-
sleuths, Ron Hannivg and Frank Scassellati. I'll cite just one
example.

Ron and Frank had gone to the Russell Park Pond about a year and
a half ago on a field investigative venture, (that's the
lacation where they believe a UFO had crashed 29 years
earlier).The pair noticed that a small section of fence
separating the pond from the park property had been replaced.
Frank wrote Mary an e-mail message proclaiming that this
mismatched section of fence "probably" was the section the
military replaced after they covertly backed up a flat bed
trailer and loaded the downed UFO upon before spiriting it away.

Frank excitedly wrote Mary, "The investigation is going great!"
Now, I'd like to ask a very simple question of Ron, Frank and
Mary. Why would the military not have removed a section of
fencing and then put the same section back in place to conceal
their secretive activities? Moreover, putting back the same
section of fence would have spared them the trouble of sending a
small contingent of troops to the local Home Depot for
mismatching fence supplies.

As you can clearly see this story doesn't make any sense at all
but, I guess that because the investigation was "going so great"
no one at BUFO thought of contacting the Carbondale Depatment of
Public Works, the city's Department of Parks and Recreation, or
the pond owner to find out "when" and "why" the fence had been
mended. Somehow, Mary never seemed to notice (or question) these
obvious fatal flaws in her investigator's work..I wonder why?

But, As Mary points out, back in '74 I told the press that if
the Air Force had suspected that something of significance
splashed down in the pond, they probably would have been there.
Mary says, that I should have known that the Air Force halted
it's Blue Book inquiry into the UFO phenomenon several years
before the Carbondale incident occurred - therefore, according
to Mary, the Air Force would NOT have been there. Mary is
absolutely right on this point, the Air Force was not there, and
I am truely enthralled to hear the Mary finally "agrees" with me
on this point. There was no military presence at the scene of
the hoax.

Mary also claims in her attempted discrediting of my
investigative efforts that I'm not careful about reporting facts
and spelling witness names. She cites one example saying that
the volunteer scuba diver from New York is a fellow named Mark
Stanley, not Stamey as I reported back in 1974. She says, I
can't even tell a "M" from an "N". Actually, if Mary were
correct, (which she isn't), it would be far more accurate to say
that I failed to tell an "NL" from an "M".( That Mary can
certainly be a stickler for details at times).

But "StaMey" is the name the driver gave me and that's the name
he also gave to the Philadelphia press reporters at the scene.
Did Stamey have a speech impediment or a harelip...I do not
recall, perhaps Mary can straighten this nagging question out
for us too?

Then of course, there is Mary's strong suspicion that I may have
known Stamey prior to the incident, and actually summoned him to
the site to assist me in the coverup of the UFO crash. If that
were the case, wouldn't it make semse that I probably would have
known his name was Stanley, not Stamey! Ahh, but that wouldn't
fit with Mary's silly conspiratorial coverup theory would it.

Another facinating point that Mary seems to believe reveals my
investigative short-comings lies in the fact that several local
newspspers reported that Officer Joseph Jacobina fired FOUR
shots from his service pistol at the submerged light in the pond
during the wee morning hours of November 10, 1974: While I
incorrectly reported that he had fired SIX shots at the
submerged lantern.

As I recall, I was told by police officials that Jacobina
"emptied" his revolver into the pond, generally speaking, that's
a spending of six shots not four but, what has the number of
bullets fired at a sunken lantern have to do with proving Mary's
UFO/coverup point- when she herself has a great deal of
difficulty understanding that the submerged lantern was battery-
powered and not a kerosene lamp. As she snidely points out,a
lanern's flame needs oxygen to burn! Double Duh!!

Beisdes, unless one is forensically investigating a homicide or
writing a pithy epetaph of some sort, it really doesn't matter
how many bullets killed a person. All that matters is that they
were shot to death. I remember reading a tombstone inscription
that was located on one of the wild west's many "Boot Hills",
it simply read, " Here lies the body of Lester Moore, took four
slugs from a 44... No less, no more!"

My hasty count of Mary's misspelled names in her latest post,
shows that Mary continually misspells Doug Dains name ( Mr.Dains
was Dr.Hynek's representative at the scene), and she claims that
I've been treating someone named Robert Gray quite poorly too.
Unfortunately, I never heard of a Robert Gray being associated
with the Carbondale incident but, Mary might mean Robert Barry
the man whose tall tale UFO crash story she has "borrowed" and
is currently promoting for herself. Mary seems to be a chronic
and unapologetic borrower of other researcher's photographs and
writings.

You can read all about the late Mr.Barry in Chronicles Entry
No.5. However, it suffices to say that Mr.Barry was well-known
in objective UFO circles as something of a loose cannon and a
teller of very tall tales.

Well, that's enough UFOOlogical enlightenment on Mary Sutherland
and her pair of defective detectives for now. However, as
always, I'd like to remind everyone that there is usually two
(or more) sides to every story so, I encourage you to read what
Mary, Ron and Frank have to say about the perfectly dreadful
coverup of the UFO crash at Carbondale, that mean ol' Rick
Fisher and that nasty Matt Graeber too! Log on to
"http://www.burlingtonnews.net/carbondale.html"

So, while Mary is supposedly "Living in the light" ( a state of
heightened spiritual awaress and emotional bliss), she seems to
be also expending a great deal of time and energy with self-
promotion, mean-spirited verbal assaults on others, and the
attempted resurrection of a long-dead UFO hoax incident. One
wonders "why" this obvious non-UFO case is soooo important to
her when, as she quips, there are many others out there.

Perhps while Mary and Frank continue to bask in the warm and
fuzzy light of ever blossoming fantasy, they might take a moment
ar two to examine their own conscience and admit that they have
both been bamboozled by Mr.Barry and his wannabe heir apparent
Ron Hannivig. Perhaps too, Mary will even go so far as to tell
us her side of the story regarding other matters that "she
herself " has prompted people to become concerned about. (?)
Frank Scassellati has already confessed to leading Mr.Fisher
down the "misinformation highway" concerning his numerous "at
the pond" stories.

But, thanks to ace UFOOLogist and "Root-Wordologist" Mary
Sutherland, at least we now know that "Sasquatch-anna" is
currently running about in the wooded areas of Pennsylvania's
Lackawanna County.

NEWS FLASH! Mary has recently revealed that another new
"unidentified" witness has come forward with information
concerning the coverup lantern being placed in the pond.
Apparently, the witness observed ( Through Binoculars), a brand
new lantern with a "Sugarman's department store" sales tag on
it. This allegedly occurred as the lantern was being dropped
into the water. If Mary could just come up with the sales
receipt and the original box the lantern camre in I think she
might be able to convince someone that this tale isn't just
another self-serving BUFO fantasy.


Keep on watch'n the skies and the ol' silt pond too,


Matt Graeber