From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:55:40 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:07:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Science & Faith Based Approaches - Randle

>From: Michael Salla <exopolitics.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:06:56 -1000
>Subject: Re: Science & Faith Based Approaches


>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:08:23 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Science & Faith Based Approaches

>>>From: Michael Salla <exopolitics.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:35:39 -1000
>>>Subject: Science & Faith Based Approaches To Research

>><snip>

>>We've seen no 'social science criteria" for "analyzing" data only
>>excuses for _not_ analyzing and applying critical thinking to
>>ludicrous and absurd stories from phony "whistleblowers" who
>>are just whistling in the wind with their crazy tales.

>Aloha Brad, and what sources do you use for your generalizations
>here? Each 'phony whistleblower' as you put it has an
>interesting tale to say which often lacks hard evidence to
>validate it. Such individuals often have strong military
>credentials with over twenty years service, eg., Robert Dean,
>Phillip Corso, Clifford Stone, are they phoney because the hard
>evidence can't be found to validate them or just difficult cases
>to analyse requiring more flexible criteria by investigators or
>(exo)political analysts? It doesn't take critical thinking to
>come up with generalizations, but it does take one to come up
>with specific objections to specific cases.


While each "phony whistleblower" might have an interesting tale
to tell, that doesn't mean the tale is true. And while there
seems to be little or no hard evidence to support them, there is
some hard evidence to suggest they are not telling the truth.
Philip Corso claimed to be a colonel, explained that he had been
promoted to colonel upon retirement, yet his military records
does not reflect such a promotion. He claimed to have been the
commander at the White Sands Missile Range yet all the
commanders except for the very first, and one who took over
temporarily have been generals. The White Sands website provides
a list of the commanders and Corso is not on the list. He
claimed, at one point, to have been a member of MJ-12 and was
not (assuming that MJ-12 is a real committee) and he induced
Senator Strom Thurman to write an introduction for his book
claiming it was about his brushes with greatness, when it was
about the Roswell UFO crash. Some pictures in his books of UFOs
are well known fakes and if Corso was who he claimed to be, he
should have known this. Interviewed on the radio with Frank
Kaufmann, when there was a conflict, he bowed to Kaufmann who
has since been proven to be a fraud. If Corso was who he claimed
to be, he should have known about Kaufmann. His tale of seeing
an alien body at Ft. Riley, KS, as the convoy made it's way from
Roswell to Wright Field, is phony, for a number of reasons, not
the least of which is the way he was shown the alien body at the
suggestion of his friend, when he should have turned his friend
in for violation of security (Yes, I know you"ll say that it was
his friend and he didn't want him to get into trouble, but just
what in the hell was the friend doing going through classified
crates anyway and how did he get access to them?)

Cliff Stone managed to rise in rank to E-7, not all that
impressive for a military career that lasted more than twenty
years. In an article published in UFO magazine (Vol 13, No 6,
1998, and no, I"m not going to type in the article for two
reasons=E2=80=A6 one, it's too long and two, that would be a violation
of copyright) Stone claims that he had "never been trained as a
clerk typist," yet his service record shows that about his only
training in the Army (other than basic training) was as a clerk
typist. He attended school at the USATC for eight weeks and was
awarded the military occupation speciality (MOS) of "Clktypist
71B in 1968. He took an advanced NCO school for five weeks in
1982 and a one week school labeled as "headstart" in 1989. So,
in other words, about the only training he did have was as a
typist. His assignments, throughout his military career have one
thing in common. They are all labeled as clerk or admin. None of
the strange assignments he claimed and no holes in his record
for such assignments. Oh, yes, his records were altered. I
forgot.

He claims, in this article that this did not stop him "from
various times crawling out through our, what we called a "kill
zone" which was 300 meters that was cleared in our perimeter all
the way around the base camp. When crawling out of that kill
zone, at nights and every now and then, I"d run into an enemy
patrol or something of this sort and I would actually find
myself shooting at the enemy and the enemy shooting at me."

What utter crap=E2=80=A6 Where were the perimeter guards while he was
crawling through the wire? Don Ecker, in that same issue of the
magazine wrote, "This is where I think Stone's story breaks
down: The idea that a single, unaccompanied American soldier
would go crawling out through the wire, by himself, to play tag
with the NVA or VC , and not have any sanctions from above
strikes me as patently ridiculous."

The first time I met Stone in his home in Roswell, he tried to
convince us of his importance by going out to his car to
retrieve some "Top Secret" documents. He carried them through
the living room so that we could see the cover sheets on them.
If he had left top secret material in his car, then he was going
to jail. He also pointed to the sticker on his car noting that
it was blue, suggesting to us that he was actually an officer.
What he didn't know is that I knew that system had been changed
so that all the stickers were blue and it was the small strip
under it that denoted the rank. Stone's was the proper color for
an NCO. I could go on listing Stone's claim to have been at the
Kecksburg UFO crash recovery to his viewing (through a hole in
the curtains) of the largely discredited alien autopsy film but
what is the point?

Let's talk about Bob Dean, a very likable man who rose to the
highest enlisted grade of command sergeant-major, not an easy
thing to do. Very few people reach that rank. However, his story
of how he saw The Assessment (at least in one version) smacks of
hoax. He said that he was the NCOIC at the command post one
night and was having trouble staying awake. The OIC pulled The
Assessment out of the Top Secret vault and gave it to Dean with
the instruction to read it. That would keep him awake. Top
secret documents are just not routinely handed to people to keep
them awake.

In another version, Dean suggested that when he arrived at SHAPE
for a tour there, he learned the study was already underway and
that having the required clearance, he often studied the pages
while passing time in the quiet evenings. Except that having the
required clearance didn't automatically give him a Need to Know,
and without that, he wouldn't have had access to the document.
His position at SHAPE certainly didn't require that he be
brought in on something like The Assessment.

But, like so much of the whistleblowers" testimony, Dean's
breaks down because there is no corroboration for it, and in
fact, there are some very disturbing aspects are it. Dean told
researcher Tim Good that Fred Hoyle had worked as a consultant
to The Assessment. When asked about this, Hoyle wrote that there
wasn't an element of truth to the story.

Compare this to the response of Robert Sarbacher, who, when
asked about his touch with the crashed saucers story, told all
who wrote or called that he did have some limited knowledge of
it and that he had been quoted correctly in the past.

There are other problems. Dean claimed that the French had
duplicated The Assessment before giving it back to NATO and then
had given it to the Research group G.E.P.A.N., except that the
French left NATO in 1967 and G.E.P.A.N didn't exist at that
time. The conclusion of Good's investigation was that The
Assessment, as described by Dean, did not exist. Please note
here that Tim Good is a UFO researcher and would not be party to
the cover up. He would be at the front shouting about it, if it
existed in this case.

So, here we are, with three of the whistleblowers whose stories
do not check out, with documentation that suggests they are not
who they claim to be, and who can produce no hard evidence that
they were where they claimed or saw what they claimed and about
whom the evidence suggests they have been less than honest. Just
why should we take anything that they say seriously?


KRandle

www.KevinRandle.blogspot.com