From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:22:16 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:31:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy - Gates


 >From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch@grassyhill.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:00:53 -500
 >Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy

 >>From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch@grassyhill.com>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:31:06 -500
 >>Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy

 >>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
 >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>>Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:00:08 EDT
 >>>Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy

 >List and Readers;

 >>>Moore came along a few years ago and ran an analysis based on
 >>>data obtained from the weather service about upper level wind
 >>>currents back in 1947. Based upon that analysis Moore was able
 >>>to get the alleged balloon/instrument package to approx 17 miles
 >>>of the ranch. Now I would point out that apparently nobody
 >>>independent of Moore has run an analysis of the same data, i.e.
 >>>upper air currents, payload etc etc.

 >>This is correct... but note that the analysis of Moore's puts
 >>flight #4 _within_ 17 miles, _not_ 17 miles "short"!

 >Oops! Not quite correct.....

 >Moore's recollections were that flight 4 was _tracked_ to within
 >17 miles of the impact site. Moore's prediction of the flight
 >path and descent, done years later based on weather service
 >data, placed the impact "in the vicinity" of the actual site,
 >and much closer than the "17 miles" we have been bandying about.

The essence of this is, no matter who says what, no matter what
everybody _thinks_ there is _no_ data. We have Moore's 90s
analysis of the upper atmosphere winds based upon "what ifs",
possibilitys, theorys and everything else.  In essence we have
a theory/possibility floated by Moore that at the very, very
best comes 17 miles short of the debris field. I recall
something about if there was some other variation in the
calculation then the balloon would be 150 miles away. Truly the
only thing you have to hear, and understand about Mogel is we
have no tracking data, and their is even a question as to
whether a balloon took off on the day, (called Roswell witness
syndrome) and any and all information is based upon so called
analysis that is chocked full of variables and what ifs.

I again point out that _if_ the theory is skeptical, fits what
the skeptibunkers think and believe then 17 miles short is no
problem. However the same skeptibunkers would savage any UFO
researcher who made a pro UFO case that was 17 miles short.

Now any skeptibunker reading this, if you instantly say _no_
then we want to hear how much latitude you will give pro UFO
theorys and research. How about 17 miles for starters?


Cheers,

Robert