From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:00:25 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:41:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Frank Kaufmann Exposed - Rudiak


From: Bruce Hutchinson <bruce@inclusivesolutions.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:17:35 -500
Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:28:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Frank Kaufmann Exposed - Hutchinson


 >From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net>
 >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:02:05 -0800
 >Subject: Re: Frank Kaufmann Exposed
David, List and Readers;

<snip>

 >>...Trakowski's replacement as Mogul Project Officer was Col.
 >>Edward Doty, who we know today from multiple documents, was
 >>really an AFOSI officer (i.e., Air Force counterintelligence)
 >>and also in charge of UFO investigations at Holloman AFB,
 >>Alamogordo.

 >In checking through the information I have at hand, I cannot
 >find a single document that supports your rather sweeping claim
 >of "multiple documents" supporting your accusation that Col
 >Edward Doty was connected officially to the AFOSI.

 >Major (later Colonel) Edward Doty was assigned to what
 >essentially was a field unit of the Air Force Cambridge Research
 >Station/Center/Laboratory, as it was variously called over the
 >years. Doty did indeed investigate UFO sightings around the
 >Holloman AFB, NM, area, where Doty was assigned. But he didn't
 >carry out those investigations because he was an AFOSI type, but
 >rather because he was a scientific type.

 >I suspect that because Doty's name appears on the Project
 >Twinkle Final Report, you feel that this just _has_ to connect
 >Doty to CI. You know, ...of course, that Project Twinkle was
 >carried out separately from Project Blue Book. In fact, Project
 >Twinkle was carried out under the Air Force's geophysical
 >research program, a large part of which was handled by the Air
 >Force Cambridge Research Laboratory (AFCRL), which later was
 >renamed the Air Force Geophysics Laboratory and which today is
 >known as Phillips Laboratory.

The information that Doty was OSI came from Leonard
Stringfield's Status Report #6, based on the Project Twinkle
summaries plus information from a witness who said Doty was also
in charge of security at Holloman.

The Twinkle summaries do defnitely state that Doty assumed
responsibility for Holloman UFO investigations sometime in 1951.
He and Dyvad took the UFO report from Corona on July 11, 1951.
By the time of discussions with Doty on Aug. 27, 1951, it was
stated that that Doty was "thoroughly acquainted with the
situation."  It also clearly states that he was to continue to
collect and review reports and maintain liaison with AFOSI.
Doty's 1959 letter to the Holloman base historian mentioned none
of this, only his connection to the balloon projects.

At the very least he was in charge of UFO investigations at
Holloman starting in 1951 and reported to AFOSI, even if he
wasn't AFOSI.  AFOSI officer Richard Doty (who variously claimed
Edward Doty was either his father or uncle) said the elder Doty
was also involved in investigating the Lonnie Zemora Socorro
incident for Project Blue Book.

Upon review, I would have to agree this doesn't demonstrate that
Doty was with OSI, as Stringfield claimed, but he did
unquestionably investigate on their behalf and report to them.

 >In Air Force historical reports, Major Edward Doty is credited
 >with having created the Balloon Branch at Holloman AFB (formerly
 >Alamogordo Army Air Field) almost singlehandedly. Major Doty
 >also worked on Project Mogul (or Mogul-like) experiments at
 >Holloman AFB at least as late as 1951. He carried out a lot of
 >the scientific field work at Holloman for the AFCRL.

My, what a fountain of arcane information you are today.  I've
never known you to personally research anything in depth,
instead regurgitating what others have written or playing front
man for them.  Who are you playing front man for today Bruce?
This sounds like something Tim Printy would have written, not
you.

 >Major Edward Doty undoubtedly worked with AFOSI personnel during
 >the Project Twinkle investigations, but Doty himself was _not_ a
 >member of AFOSI, and I doubt that you can produce an authentic,
 >official, Air Force record showing that he was ever assigned to
 >AFOSI. You can- and did- make some unwarranted assumptions, but
 >that hardly justifies such sweeping statements of "fact" based
 >on absurdly weak evidence.

 >And as a side note, your site erroneously claims Edward Doty was
 >the father of Richard Doty. (Richard has also claimed -falsely-
 >that Edward was his uncle!) You need to correct that.

Richard Doty told people like Bruce Maccabee and Philip Klass
that Edward Doty was his father.  He told Robert Todd that
Edward Doty was his uncle.  Before I "correct" this, perhaps you
can enlighten us to the true relationship of the two Dotys and
how you know this for a fact.

If I am wrong about Doty being AFOSI (as it currently appears I
am), I have no problems making the necessary corrections.  I do
strive to be accurate.

Perhaps you can tell your pal/ghostwriter Tim Printy to do
likewise on his webpage concerning Charles Moore's Flight 4
trajectory hoax and alternation of the Flight 5 map.  He's still
claiming I got this all wrong and Moore is an innocent.  I have
yet to see where any of my mathematical or other arguments have
been refuted by either you or Printy.  When are you guys going
to muster the integrity to admit to this?


David Rudiak