From: Pat Parrinello <pparri@republic.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 12:38:14 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 01:53:48 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Electrically Induced Hallucinations'


   (Sorry folks,  but this is a good one so I quoted the whole thing)

   Good arguments in this post... But!...


>Subject:     UFO UpDate: Re: 'Electrically Induced Hallucinations'
>Sent:        2/3/97 8:32 AM
>Received:    2/3/97 10:10 AM
>From:        UFO UpDates - Toronto, updates@globalserve.net
>To:          UFO UpDates - Toronto, updates@globalserve.net
>
>From: DRudiak@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 03:03:37 -0500 (EST)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Electrically Induced Hallucinations'
>
>In a message dated 97-02-02 13:39:36 EST, UpDates posted:
>
>Chris Rutkowski wrote:
>
>>>When we actually look at the NL and DD data, there are very few that
>>>appear to be explainable as EM activity. Airplanes and fireballs,
>>>maybe, but not EM activity.
>
>John Powell wrote:
>
>>I don't think we know enough about how the human mind responds to >>
>>magnetic
>>fields (generated by geologic activity or not) to make that claim just yet.
>>We sure don't know enough about fireballs and ball lightning.

   (Here is where it get's good)

   David Rudiak replied...

>I'd like to comment on this, since for several years I was involved
>in magnetic stimulation of the visual centers of the human brain,
>and wrote two papers on it.  I consider myself one of the experts.
>
>Not many people are aware of just how powerful the magntic pulses
>need to be to get any sort of response out of people -- several
>orders of magnetic greater than any known geomagnetic phenomena,
>plus extremely brief.  For example, to stimulate the visual cortex,
>you typically need a magnetic field on the order of 5000 - 10,000
>gauss pulsed for approximately 100 microseconds. (The earth's
>magnetic field, for comparison, is less than 0.5 gauss).   That's
>what is needed to get a sufficiently strong induced voltage and
>current in the brain to get any sort of response at all.

 Depends. Did you ever try keeping the electrolyte under control?
 This is a very important function as to how 'sensitivity'  of the
  organs come into play, and that includes the brain.

  For instance; iron, cobalt etc. can and do react even to the minute
  magnetic fields, the earth too. Ask any migrating bird or
  bacteria.

>Moreover the responses are extremely gross, mostly flashes of light,
>and only about half the subjects we used experienced even those.  It
>turned out to be extremely difficult to stimulate the brains sensory
>areas, in fact most experiments with magnetic stimulators use them to
>*suppress* brain function, not stimulate it.
>
>One colleague of mine wrote a paper in which he tried stimulating the
>visual areas of people who had become blind since birth.  He said they
>reported briefly "seeing" more complex forms like people's faces, but
>for reasons unknown he withdrew the paper.  Even if this anecdotal
>evidence was true, there has NEVER been any indication that stimulation
>of this kind can produce some complex, prolonged hallucination, much
>less shared hallucinations across individuals.  The whole idea is
>preposterous.  Gross electrical stimulation like this, say from
>lightning bolts or electroconvulsive therapy, scrambles peoples
>minds.  It doesn't produce delicate hallucinations with a complete
>story line.  If that were true, hundreds of people every day having
>MRI scans in magnetic fields of 20,000 gauss, would be hallucinating
>alien abductions all over the place.

   You have that nailed down pretty good and I agree with your thesis.
    However...  :)  gotta push on ya a little bit to see what you think of
    resonance, especially that which (I conjecture here) is field
    influenced. With some electrolyte (I should know?) which bonds
    into the dendrite structure, may on magnetic interaction convert
    such motional field energies into electrochemical stimulus. It would
    seem to me that such could be given the myriad of interpretation
    as the brain attempts to ascertain the meaning to the stimulus.

>This whole line of thought of inducing complex hallucinations came
>originally from the work of neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield, who during
>brain surgery, *with the brain exposed* and using electrodes which
>stimulated *tiny isolated portions of the brain* said that his
>patients sometimes experienced complex hallucinations, including
>what seemed to be long forgotten memories from their past, which
>played back like movies.  But this is an entirely different
>situation from some hypothetical, geomagnetic phenomena, which
>would have to be vastly more powerful than anything seen before
>and would affect the entire brain and body, not some isolated area.
>
>I might add to this, that the motor nerves are much larger than the
>sensory ones, and far easier to stimulate.  The person would be
>thrown into violent convulsions by such a field long before the
>sensory system would respond.  I don't recall that being a part of
>the alien abduction scenario or incidents like Fatima, also
>supposedly "explained" by this geomagnetic theory.
>
>David Rudiak

   Also it should be noted that throughout the brain are embedded
   representative cells for all senses. In other words, for example,
   in the seeing part of the brain are representative cells from
   hearing, smelling, touching, taste, and all these are in effect
   filters which lead into memory. So, if you see something and
   that something has been experienced before and is known
   about, then information on that something is relayed to the
   conscious zone along with the realtime visual data. What it
   should smell like, what it feels like, what it tastes like, what
   it sounds like. If any filter should fail then the brain sets up
   several modes, mainly investigation and filters about what
   to expect and do. Look closer or run like hell.

   *IF* (and I believe this to be true) Aliens can and do interfere
    with the mind, then that is by some physical process. That we
    don't (as yet) fully understand how they do this should in no
    wise stop us from pursuing any and all possibilities. Again,
    another 'if'...  If it turns out that aliens are NOT doing things
    in our best interest, then it would be quite prudent of us to
    isolate and understand all these things... for it may be that
    these would possibly be the only weapons we have at our
    disposal to defeat them.



   ~Pat~

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